Purchasing a house with a woodburner or open fire?

Purchasing a house with a woodburner or open fire?

This post is so well overdue. I’m glad I’ve finally found the time to put something out there for anyone who may be considering or is in the process of conveyancing linked to the purchase of a property that has a solid fuel appliance (open fire or woodburner) “lurking” somewhere in the house.

As a Chimney Sweep I am frequently contacted and asked if I can go and inspect/sweep an appliance , be it an open fire or stove of some description, following the recent purchase of a property. Whilst I am only too glad to assist and do obviously help I have to hold back my frustration on occasion of asking why a flue professional wasn’t involved earlier during the involvement of solicitors or whether any key questions were asked about documentation linked to said appliance.

In the same way as Conveyancers always ask about boiler service documentation, electrical certification etc, they should, in my opinion, be picking up on the fact that an open fire or woodburner is located at a property. These are potentially incredibly expensive hidden cost problems and home safety issues just waiting to unfold once you’ve signed on the dotted line, completed on the sale and moved in (usually with a hefty hole in the bank account).

Here I shall summarise a case study involving a new occupier to a semi-detached house in Poole. He said he had just moved in and wanted his open fire and woodburner inspected and swept. On arrival there was a lovely substantial woodburner in his dining room. No documentation from the purchase was available for either appliance. The open fire was dealt with, swept and there were no issues. However, the woodburner appeared to be a “home-install” by a previous occupier. Therefore not professionally installed by a qualified professional HETAS engineer. There was no flexible stainless steel liner attached to the stove pipe above the register plate and crucially no sweeping hatches cut into the register plate to allow a chimney sweep to access the surface area of the register plate to vacuum off soot/debris after he/she had swept the brick chimney flue. This debris if left uncleared sweep after sweep then builds up and forms a combustible layer just waiting for a flame or spark or simply intense heat to ignite it and hey presto a chimney fire and the Fire Brigade visit with their water! I have heard a rumour that I’ve yet to substantiate that if you are unable to show a sweeping certificate from the last 12 months then the Fire Brigade invoice you for their attendance. Seems to make sense!

So, being a diligent chimney sweep and in line with my training I issued a Warning Notice and condemned the appliance pending remedial works which in this case as a minimum would have required the cutting in of sweep hatches into the register, but ideally a Flexi liner inserted into the flue all the way to the chimney pot.

The new occupier then appointed a qualified HETAS engineer to investigate. I kept in touch…… Some little while later I received a message,

Nightmare scenario here. Scaffolding gone up to do the chimney liner and they’ve discovered a massive crack running the length of the stack! The main worker could fit his punting trowel all the way in and there are significant bits on the verge of falling off. The builder who owned it before our sellers must have been a right cowboy as he fitted bricks inside the chimney using expanding foam! Here is a pic after they swept … major soot cloud.”

The potential disruption caused with chimney rectification work

Because the next door shared the chimney stack with my clients they too had the disruption if having their chimney stack taken down as it had been leaking into their house for years evidently.

Roof of semi detached house with chimney stack removed

There goes that chimney stack

When I asked more about any investigations and surveys as part of the purchase the owner stated that they were aware of the chimney crack from the survey, but in hindsight wished they had got someone to check it out and then be in a position to go back to the seller as this little job cost just shy of £3900! Have some of that just after moving in!  At the end of the day though they have a lovely functioning woodburner now for Christmas that will be safe and easy to sweep for years ahead.

Wood burner

Works all completed with a stainless steel twin wall flue on the roof. Chimney stack all removed as neighbours had blocked off all chimney breasts to rear of house.

So, what is the point of this post. Well, I am keen to provide a quick and hopefully easy to follow basic checklist for anyone in the process of or about to buy a property with a solid fuel appliance.

  1. TELL YOUR CONVEYANCING SOLICITOR – that there are fires or woodburner/s on the premises.
  2. If they don’t act on that then ask them to ask questions of the sellers about these appliances. Because it could COST you in the long run..
  3. For an open fire ask for at least the last year’s or just the last sweeping certificate as a minimum. This will demonstrate the sellers diligence around the appliance and provide some key details about the flue potentially. You could even contact the sweep and ask them about it. It’s never happened to me yet but I can’t see why it shouldn’t. If there is no evidence of sweeping I would recommend that it’s requested of the seller to appoint a sweep and obtain a certificate otherwise you could be moving into a chimney fire risk on day one.
  4. For a woodburner or multi fuel stove. These burn at incredibly high temperatures. Their installation is heavily governed by Approved Document J Building regulations. Qualified HETAS engineers/installers know these regulations like the back of their hand and the installation of them is all about safety. So, an installation should ideally have been by a HETAS professional. Ask for the installation documentation. Also, ask for a latest sweeping certificate as these need just as much maintenance if not more than an open fire. If there isn’t one then ask your solicitor to ask the seller to have it professionally swept with a certificate of sweeping issued. Again, if no HETAS installation certification is available assume that it is NOT professionally installed and ask for a HETAS Approved Chimney Sweep such as myself to inspect it, or an installer.
  5. Consider a CCTV camera survey of the flue be it open fire or stove. Whatever a Chimney Sweep is able to do from kneeling in front of the appliance does not give a cast iron guarantee of the integrity of the chimney flue (Flexi-liner or brick). Flexi liners do perish eventually and can be costly to replace, connections can detach and birds may have made a new home during the nesting season in the flue. Burning efficiently and cleanly will prolong the flue condition but there is no certainty that has been occurring when buying a property. The same applies to an open fire brick flue where tar and creosote deposit layering throughout the flue can be another and primary source of a chimney fire. So a survey can be a really useful consideration and many Chimney Sweeps, such as myself, have that specialist equipment.

I hope this has been a useful post for anyone soon to inherit a solid fuel appliance that they have no history about. Nobody wants an unnecessary expense mounting to thousands of pounds potentially which could possibly be avoided with a few more probing questions and legitimate investigation. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further queries or would like me to assist with any Chimney Sweeping needs whether you are in the midst of a purchase or have completed and want that assurance that all is safe and well with your new heating source.

Steve.

Woodburner and Multi Fuel Stove Service and Maintenance

Woodburner and Multi Fuel Stove Service and Maintenance

Introduction.

As a professional and accredited Chimney Sweep the services that I provide are not just about sweeping chimney flues. Most quality Sweeps are also able to offer wood burner and Multi Fuel Stove Service and Maintenance.

 

Case Study – Clearview Pioneer 400 MF Stove.

I have put together a small case study of a stove that I recently swept.  The Clearview Pioneer 400. The interior condition was extremely poor with the baffle or throat plate so badly perished that flames from the combustion chamber are likely to have been exposed directly to the flue/liner. This can lead to an expensive premature degradation of the stainless steel liner fitted to most modern installations, as was the case with this particular set-up.

The rear fire brick was also badly fractured with both side bricks very well worn.

It’s worthwhile highlighting that the life of the vermiculite bricks (fire bricks) can be extended just by some simple considerations such as being gentle when using the poker to stoke the fire and not to jab the bricks by mistake. Also being careful inserting the logs as sharp corners can also damage the brick face and cause fractures that ultimately become cracks,

Clearview Pioneer 400 in need of service and maintenance

This  Clerview Pioneer woodburner is in need of significant maintenance.

Service and maintenance is essential to effective operation

It doesn’t get much worse than this woodburner interior. Notice the hole in the baffle.

All fire bricks and baffle / throat plate removed

Just a final vacuum required before new components fitted

New fire bricks for this Clearview Pioneer 400

New components acquired and about to be fitted

A perished baffle plate being replaced by a brand new one

A new baffle/throat plate about to be fitted to this stove

3 new fire bricks and a new baffle to refurbish this Clearview stove

Sweep Chief servicing and maintaining woodburning stoves. Bricks and baffle replaced.

New fire bricks and baffle plate were required to renovate this Clearview Pioneer 400

All set for another decade of combustion.

Remember to Maintain as well as Sweep

Servicing and maintaining a wood burner and sweeping the flue are intrinsically linked in terms of both safety and prolonging the life of your appliance. Think of it along the same lines  as servicing your gas boiler. If your gas engineer recommended parts needing replacement on your boiler, chances are you would make it a priority. Similar principle here. A well maintained stove can last for many, many years, save you money in the long term and give you peace of mind in terms of heating your home safely.

For any enquiries be it for a Chimney Sweep quote or for anything else in relation to your solid fuel appliance feel free to call Sweep Chief on 01202 748893 or e-mail [email protected].

Steve.

Gas Fire Flue Sweeping

Gas Fire Flue Sweeping

I wished to write an article highlighting to everybody some interesting points relating to the use of gas fire appliances in the home linked to a chimney flue,  and the need to consider the sweeping of such. This is as a result of sweeping two chimneys in the last month that have been connected to an open brick built chimney for a significant number of years without having been swept.

Large amount of debris removed from flue used by gas fire

Large amount of deposit from swept chimney flue used by a gas fire for many years

Many people probably do not think that gas can create or leave a deposit in the chimney, but clearly they do albeit it is much different in texture and content than a solid fuel fire soot deposit. It’s much heavier, grey/sandy coloured and dusty.

Over my recent time sweeping I’ve been requested to sweep a number of brick built chimneys used by gas fires. In the main it is usually because of a problem identified when having the appliance serviced by a gas engineer which suggests that sweeping the flue may be necessary. It is worthwhile noting that a Chimney Sweep (unless Gas Safe registered) isn’t allowed to uninstall a gas appliance so the expectation is that the fire is removed prior to arrival, unless (as has happened on a few occasions) it is possible to sweep up through the appliance usually over the decorative effect stones.

Significant amount of deposit from gas fire usage

Another example. The gas fire kept going out when lit. The engineer suspected a lack of oxygen and a possible blocked chimney. This was about a 1/4 of a bin liner of deposit.

I was called to an address recently after a heating engineer had put a fire out of use suspecting that the chimney may be blocked and had left the fire in situ. It was impossible to sweep upwards through the fire due to the restricted gap above the coals into the flue. The client called the heating company whilst I was there (on loud speaker) and the employee suggested the Chimney Sweep “lacked confidence” due to my being unable to pull the fire out of its surround. This would have been illegal for a Chimney Sweep to have carried out and demonstrated a lack of awareness and professionalism by the heating company concerned. I don’t like walking away from jobs but sometimes it’s a necessity from a legal and safety perspective with homeowners at the centre of my concerns.

An interesting point that is useful for us all to be mindful of is that some household insurance companies insist on a chimney being swept annually as part of the policy. This is regardless of whether it is connected to a solid fuel or a gas appliance which is why I was called to attend to a gas fire flue last summer in Parkstone. The occupiers are required to have it swept every year because of the insurance mandating it. You could honestly have eaten your dinner off of the walls of the flue it was that clean. So, it’s worthwhile checking the fine print in your policy document just in case this effects you. In the unfortunate event of a property fire it’s likely that one of the first questions asked by the insurer is when was the last time you had the chimney swept if you have an operational flue.

Rotary power swept flue using mole brush

An example of a gas appliance swept flue using Rotary Power Sweeping.

Don’t forget also that birds like to nest equally in chimneys used by gas fires as they do for open fires and wood burners. They don’t seem to be too fussy in the Spring when we’re not using these things so it’s worthwhile investing in a cowl for the chimney pot for peace of mind. The design for a gas fire cowl is different than for solid fuel so feel free to call me for any more info or to even purchase a cowl if you wish. I provide a fitting service also within the Poole/Bournemouth and immediate surrounding areas.

Also, a last gentle reminder about Carbon Monoxide alarms. One should be located in each room where there is an appliance, gas or solid fuel. I provide these as part of my sweeping services, or they are available on line or at DIY stores.

 

Sweep chief banner

Chimney Detective at Work

Chimney Detective at Work

Not so long ago I received a call from a lovely lady with a problem with her open fire in the house she and her husband have lived in for many years in Parkstone, Poole. She wanted to know if I did “trouble shooting” and if I could help with their open fire issue.  So, with my Chimney Detective hat on I was intrigued to hear more.

Basically, they were suffering from smoke returning into their living room after approximately an hour of burning resulting in the fire having to be extinguished immediately and bringing a relaxing evening in front of the fire to an abrupt halt. This had been ongoing for a significant period of time and with the involvement of many chimney sweeps.

Fortunately, part of my essential equipment is a CCTV kit enabling me to get a detailed view of the interior of chimney flues and stove liners. So, with kit in hand I offered to go along and assess.

I had already done some homework on potential causes such as any changes to the property that may have effected the draw on the fire, air vents, double glazing, too big an aperture for the room and so on. On arrival I noted that it was a standard two story character detached house with standard chimney stack with an aspirator spinning cowl fitted to the chimney that had been fitted to assist with the draw from the fire. This was spinning in the breeze quite well.

Inside I saw that the owner had installed a unique antique raised French grate to raise the fire up towards the gather. A hood had been installed to further reduce the distance between fire and flue and the fire aperture was perfectly normal for the room size. No significant changes to the property to effect draw. Puzzling indeed.

So, I deployed the CCTV kit to see what was going on, if anything. On reaching the base of the chimney pot, I had to work extra hard to get the camera on the rods to negotiate the ledge leading up into the pot. At this point it’s worth pointing out that as a chimney sweep it’s good practice to always exit the chimney pot with your brush, to go outside and see it protruding so you know you’ve reached the end of the flue. Makes sense.

With many chimneys having cowls fitted to them these days this hampers things to a degree as you don’t want to exert too much pressure on a cowl fear of dislodging it and so using your ears and having a good awareness of your equipment is essential.

As the camera popped into the pot, as you will see from the attached video clips, all became clear. The lining of the pot was heavily contaminated with debris, soot, tar etc from what appeared to be many years of not being properly cleaned as I suspect the previous sweeps didn’t actually get their brushes into the pot and were catching on the ledge beneath it believing to be at or near the top. Consequently the framework of the cowl was significantly clogged too thus reducing the aperture around the base of the cowl and no doubt effecting the draw up the flue.

To combat this I decided to rotary power sweep the flue, and knowing how many rods up I needed to go into the chimney I knew exactly when I was into the pot and crucially, close to the cowl base, bearing in mind I didn’t want to knock it off the top. Post sweep I redeployed the CCTV. I hope you will agree the before and after images speak for themselves and that the aspirator cowl appears to spinning a lot more freely.

Most importantly, did it solve the problem? ………….  well I was held in suspense until the next morning when I was hugely happy and relieved to hear that it had sorted the smoke return issue. It was great to know I’d dealt with a problem that had been plaguing this lovely couple for so long and that their evenings in front of the fire could now be all they had wanted them to be. for so long.

When I think back to the original telephone call and the problem presented to following the journey through, asking the right questions, doing the research, making the best use of technology, having the right kit for the job, it just goes to show it’s worth ensuring you utilise the skills of  a professional Chimney Sweep and that it is most certainly not an occupation that “anyone’s old Grandmother could do”, a quote I recently heard after condemning an installation of a wood burner and the installer (under the threat of HETAS) had to return to the customer and make good their error.

 

Yes Wood Burners and Stoves do Need Sweeping

Yes Wood Burners and Stoves do Need Sweeping

This week I have decided to post some information that will hopefully clarify any confusion about whether or not a wood burning stove needs sweeping or not.

Twice in the last week I have heard the comment, “I didn’t realise wood burners needed to be swept.”

It’s been quite suprising to hear but I guess when they are installed not everyone bothers to read the manual/instruction from cover to cover a bit like not reading the entire instruction manual for a new TV or similar. Obviously installers are not always telling their customers that sweeping will be a routine part of its maintenance either it would appear.

Wood burners and multi fuel stoves are no different from an open fire in regards to soot deposits building up in the flue ways or stainless steel flexible liners that many are now fitted with going up the chimney.

Also, all burners have a baffle plate of sorts mounted just underneath the entrance to the flue and deposits from the flue and the burner itself can build up on this plate in a pile. If left uncleared this can potentially block the entrance to the flue leading to carbon monoxide fumes entering the home and also risk catching light and causing a chimney fire.

This is why its essential to have a carbon monoxide alarm in each room where there is a solid fuel appliance of any sort. I can provide these on request or through my website.

All instruction manuals that I have read relating to burners I have swept have a section on maintenance and refer to regularly clearing the baffle plate and having the flue way swept.

Therefore to clarify the situation, all wood burning stoves and multi fuel appliances do need to be swept on a regular basis, at least annually I would suggest.

Your Chimney Sweep will not only conduct a sweep and clear the baffle plate for you but also give the appliance the once over for any minor maintenance matters such as the fire cement around the flue join to the stove sometimes degrades and requires repair, similarly the fire rope around the door eventually perishes and requires replacement and the vermiculite fire bricks inside the stove can crack and fall apart. This is why it’s very important to be gentle when placing logs inside the combustion chamber or when poking the fuel with the poker and striking the bricks by mistake.

Hunter Wood Burner

Hunter Wood Burner showing post sweep soot deposits. If not removed this is hazardous leading to possible chimney fire and carbon monoxide gas in the home

Wood burning stove

Charnwood C4 Wood Burner

Lined wood burner

Lined wood burner

Clearview Wood Burner

Clearview Pioneer 400 Wood Burner

 

sweeping using magnets to hold the dust protection in place

Dust protection using magnets and poly sheeting. Very effective